Rafi vs Kishore


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Rafi and Kishore : Whose better

There are 2 words - Great and Popular. The sysnonym for the first is Rafisaab and for the second is Kishore. I never understand how can Rafi and Kishore be compared. The first reason can be the period those 2 worked. As Kishore came later and became popular due the different kind of songs he sung than Rafisaab.
These 2 can be compared on few points:
Versatility: When Rafisaab sung for some actor, it never appeared that Rafi is singing, but the actor is. And there was no limit on who the acotr is. Few classic examples are Shammi, Rajender Kumar, Johny Walker, Dilipsaab, Dev, Amitabh. But when KK sung even for Rajesh Khanna, the voice always sounded as Kishore's.
Type of songs: Rafisaab had no limits of what kind of song he could sing.
Range of voice: Rafisaab had definitely better.
When Rafisaab sung, it always sounded like he's singing from heart while in case of Kishore it was just throatal. Try singing any song by these and you'd feel the difference.
Clarity: Each word in a Rafi song is crystal-clear.


As long as only singing is concerned Mukesh or Manna Dey were better option to compare with Rafi. We listen Kishore Kumar's song , while we feel Rafi's song by heart.Rafi was a playback singer for Shammi Kapoor, Dilip Kumar to Rajesh Khanna, Bachhan, while Kishore Kumar was mainly a singer for Bachhan and Rajesh Khanna. Rafi is for all generation while Kishore Kumar is mainly for young generation. Rafi's voice was more sweeter than Kishore. Kishore came in 50s, so more or less they were contemporary, but he had to wait for RD to come. No doubt that Kishore Kumar was a great singer and we enjoy lot of his songs. But we simply can not compare him with Rafi.
Rafi is Rafi !!!!!!!!


Perhaps these two citings from Rafi thread on orkut clearly speaks how different two personalities were.
Rafisaab is (yes IS, cuz he will always be alive in our hearts!) a classical singer, while Kishore da is just another. Kishore's pattern of singing is quite similar to Manna Dey, but again Manna Dey is a classical singer, Kishore isnt. However, there are lot of reasons for popularity for Kishore da, mainly due to RD and his lively nature to sing funny songs. If I see variety, I find more in kishore da's and less on Rafisaab, whose voice was naturally romantic. And I love to say that, cause I love to sing his every song and feel the romanticism in it, the beauty of voice which pours the feelings inside (even if its not there!). I love the depth Rafisaab goes into for any song, be it sad or romantic or a classical or bhakti! That depth is unmatched with anybody (ofcourse, you may compare him with legends like Manna Dey, Hemant Da and Talat, but actually I would say they all were legends, and hence Uncomparable!)

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  1. #1. Rafi was an era- Yahoo was the keyword of that golden era. Kishore represented a totaly different era, keywrd being yoodelling.
    #2. Rafi had the style of extending the last syllable to meet thefirst one of the next word, while kishore had this tendency to put stress on "r" sound as "rrr..". Wheneverhe sung some sad numbers, he used to yodel a little in between words like "jab humm na honge..." in the song "hum aaj shayar hain, ghum aaj naghma hai" from gambler.
    #3. U r right in saying that Rafi had no limitations as far as actors were concerned,kishore was limited. But u forget that rafi was essentially ghazal maestro, kishore had limited knowledge compared to him, while manna day was a master all of all the fields of music. He was a one of the greatest few. nU'll find his thumri and khayal in abundance, but not of Rafi who sang mostly ghazals in non filmy genre, while non of kishore. However, like madan mohan, kishore was a gifted man, who could produce music, hence was a good music director.

    A good attempt, but i'd prefer not to compare rafi and kishore, for, both are considered two totally different schools, and they derive their uniqueness from some (i forgot their names) western schools.

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  2. generally kuch bhi bole ja raha hai.. btw hws ur piano lessons going?? are u thru it? ;-)

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  3. Hi Shaurabh,

    I don't know how I stumbled upon your Rafi vs Kishore write-up, but I am glad I did. You are absolutely on the money that Rafi is Rafi!!! Rafi is the GREATEST singer ever, and is still the most heard and requested voice on the radio all over the world, more than even the great Lata.

    Kishore is popular amongst today's youth(I am in my early 20's too) mainly because of RD's nice western tunes, and while Kishore is a very good singer in his own right, he is almost nothing compared to Rafi as a singer. I mean, just compare their bodies of work, and KK's work looks very childish, simplistic, and too basic compared to the variety, range, and virtuosity in Rafi's work. Plus, Rafi was also gifted with a heavenly voice which was just perfect for playback singing, and he could also modulate his voice to sound different for different actors, situations, and genres of songs.

    Cheers
    Ravi

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  4. you're quire right yaar.. tumne mere muh ki baat chhin li

    moreover im not here comparing the popularity of kishore and rafi, but the way they sing!

    Rafi is Rafi! Very True!

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  5. Very nice write up and I don't seem to differ with your views..

    There is a generation (parents of youth in mid 20s) which just knew that who was better. After that generation, the exposure to Rafi sahib's songs just dwindled..Look at the FM channels today. They have nothing to offer in terms of Retro Music...And all they shell out in whatever little they give is only RDB and KK combination disco numbers..

    I wish Vividh Bharti gets popular again..They know what is the right music!!

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  6. That's so much true. Today's radio numbers truly suck. They bore to hell. I remember listening to vividh bharti in my school days, we used to really wait for certain programs, they had that "USP" of the frenziness TV creates for their serials.. alas.. I wish bangalore radio channels grow up and match with those..

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  7. I love both of them. The both are Pillars of Indian Music. Both has versatility. It is unjustified to say that one is better than other. Still after many decades, there is no match of both. There are thousands of Singers now a days but none of them is even close to their class of singing. I don't agree that both had an era. Rafisaab’s and Kishore’s songs and music still seems to be more fresh and entertaining than that of the Current Era. Both were Kings and are Kings.

    __Naveed

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  8. from a fan perspective : YES. Both have large set of fans and they are kings in their own rights. However, when it comes to perspective of a singer, the more I listen to kishore, the more I feel that he was a mere playback singer : who could hum words, follow a simple musical track, had a great voice and probably was petted by the bests in his times (read RD etc). This era was also responsible for killing the classical taste of bollywood music, which Lata and Rafi maintained for long together, alongwith Manna dey, Hemant, Talat among others.

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  9. Both Rafi Saab & Kishore Were Great singers of all time. But comparison between the two is useless. Rafi Saab is Far better than Kishore. Kishore is a Legendary singer but Rafi Saab is Legend of the Legends. His singing prowess is far superior than any other singer.After Rafi Saab no other singer has come who could match his singing talent.

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  10. wow.. great thoughts.. i absolutely agree with them.. Rafi is legend of legends :-)

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  11. Rafi sahib was above religious, race, cast, political, national and even commercial differences. As a Rafi-family friend, and neighbour in London, for over 50 years, I am honoured to have met the most humble, honourable and modest man that I ever knew in my whole lifetime. Rafi still continues to entertain millions around the world. He politely refused to copy other singers in case they get offended. "Kehta hai koi dil gaya dil bar gaya. Sahil hai pukarta samandar chala gaya. Jo baat sach hai kehta nahin koi, keh es dunya se musiqi ka payambar chala gaya," according to one tribute to Rafi sahib by the great poet Gulzar. That sums up the late great singer Mohammed Rafi. So, is it fair to compare him with others, alive or dead? Some of his best songs are available subscription free at http://www.youtube.com/spsyed – a website dedicated to the entertainers and their fans. Enjoy, comment, rate, provide feedback, subscribe, join as friends, and share it far and wide.

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  12. Hi, everybody.....at this stage i really don't hesitate to call myself as an expert in old hindi songs..... i firmly believe that Mohd.Rafi is incomparable, though i admit that KK was a very good singer who comes in the list of Mukesh and Manna Dey.

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    Deepak

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  13. आपका मत काफी हद तक सही है दीपक जी। रफि साहब उस स्तर के गायक हैं, जिनका कोई सानी नहीं। फिर भी, मैं किशोर दा को मुकेश जी के साथ रखना चाहूँगा, पर मन्ना डे साहब को हेमन्त जी के साथ। कारण यह है कि मन्ना डे और हेमन्त, दोनों ही कुशल गायक के साथ साथ भारतीय संगीत में भी सिद्ध थे। उनकी गायन शैली से यह साफ नजर आता है, जबकि मुकेश और किशोर के पास यह कला नहीं थी।

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  14. kishore's voice had more depth and softness than rafi. the divine voice of kishore in songs like "yeh jeevan hai" and "kaqb tak andhere manko chalenge" just can not be matched byrafi. similarly kishore's depth in "zindagi ka safr", "aanewala pal", "jeevan se na har jeenewale" can not betoched by rafi. kishore defeated classical singer "parvenn sultana" with his si mple rendition"hume tumse pyar kitana" by sheer voice quality. rafi has sang gazala which is more of poetry than music. It is wrong to say kishore is popular because of rdb's western tunes. kishore excels more in serious songs and semiclassical renditions like "mere naina sawan bhado". also kishore has covered many moods like "ek ritu aaye", "maine tumse kuch nahi manga aaj ded do muze nind ka vardan", "chal sapno ke shhar", "hawaon pe likh do", "aaj unse pahli mulakat hogi", "ek chatur naar", "gadi bula rahi hai" etc

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  15. किशोर दा के बारे में आपने जो भी कहा, वो सच है। और मैं भी इससे सहमत हूँ। किशोर की आवाज निराली थी, और साथ में गले को किसी भी सुर और साज में ढालने का गुण। उन्होंने हर तरह के गाने गाए हैं।

    परन्तु रफी साहब की तुलना किशोर से करना ठीक वैसे ही होगा जैसे गुरू का शिष्य से, और सागर का नदी से। जब रफी साहब आए थे तब पार्श्वसंगीत की परम्परा नाम-मात्र की थी। किशोर तो जमी हुई बॉलीवुड के सितारे थे, इसको जमाने वालों रफी साहब का नाम ऊँचा है। परन्तु इस पीढी के गायकों और गायिकाओं में किशोर सबसे अंतिम गायक थे। एक तरह से देखा जाए तो किशोर और आशा के पतन के साथ साथ भारतीय सुगम संगीत का पतन भी काफी हद तक हो चुका था।

    if u think kishore had more "depth" in voice as well as "softness", then probably you need to understand what exactly these terms mean. rafi had probably one of the vastest scale, probably only likes of bhimsen wud have better scales. whereas rafi's list of hits contain variety in quality of lyrics, music, actors etc, kishore hits almost always contained very good lyrics, top class music or great portrayal on screen (mostly by rd burman). whereas kishore simplified singing complexities, largely because he did not himself know how to sing complicated songs (due to his poor background of music), whatever he sang was beyond doubt a quality stuff, which can ring bells in hearts. however, classical singing and songs which needed complex portrayal of feelings almost died after kishore. this is mainly because kishore had popularised the simpler songs far more, and market wasnt ripe enough for the better quality songs ( of course, part of this credit also goes to rd burman sahab). No wonder this gave rise to western tune based music, which sounded like orchestra and less like a fine tuned music. today, we know where we exist. there is little difference in bollywood releases and those in hollywood :-)

    Alas, era of old hindi songs has not crossed beyond kishore. People like pratim and rahman and shankar (the best in market) can only produce music which u wud like for some days and forget next. Very few songs these days go down to history of classics, which are still listened by many, no matter how old they grow. This is very similar to fate of bollywood flicks too, how many of new movies do we watch or like to watch again, like classics? its much less as compared to old times.

    At the end, I must say Rafi was the best in the era of famous old songs. kishore exploited, flourished and killed this era.

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    1. I fully agree with the views of Anil. Compare the song "Tum bin jaun kaha " sang both by Kishore and Rafi and any one will agree Kishore's rendering was far more superior than Rafi's. It appears that Saurabh Bharti is 'one eyed' man or to be more precise 'Kue ka Mendhak' that is why he has failed to appreciate the comments of Mr. Anil. Kishore's voice is much more mature than Rafi's, that is why when Rafi playbacked for rickshaw puller or a road side begger it realy sounded like that but Kishore's voice was suitable for Nayak and Mahanayaks. S. R. CHOWDHURY

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    2. Dear SRC,
      Your knowledge of music and singing specially is flattering. Perhaps, you do not know several songs for which Kishore was outright rejected and Rafi was brought in to do the job (eg Kya hua tera wada). Feeling inferior to the bottom of well now?
      I'm glad that Rafi could sing for common man's voice. Perhaps, for an "Andhon mein kaana Raja" like you, it'd go all above your ears.
      A word of advice: Next time you listen to a song, use your ears and give your eyes a rest. It'd dramatically improve your taste in music, and singing in particular.

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  16. Hi everybody, this is my second post. Rafi is rafi and when it comes to high pitch , he was a master.... I am not supporting Rafi here over Kishore, but its a fact that Rafi is the best singer of India. Some of his songs like 1) Likhay jo khat tujhe 2) Abhi na jao chodkar...3) Kya huva tera waada 4) ehsaan tera hoga mujhpar are matchless. Should anyone think that Kishore is a better singer than Rafi , this is because the songs of Kishore had powerful lyrics in them, but it is Rafi who has sung very tough notes at ease... din dhal jaaye ( Guide) and Chaudhvin ka chand are just two examples.

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  17. Rafi has sung best quality lyrics. but kishore attained philosophical height in songs and voice strenth is evident in "kab tak andhere" which has very little background music.

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  18. दार्शनिक ऊँचाई तो गीतकार की होती है, गायक की नहीं :-)

    जहाँ तक बात किशोर साहब के गले की है तो उसमें बहुत ही गहराई है, इसमें कोई दो-राय नहीं।

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  19. Kishore was like a river while Rafi was like an ocean as far as singing is concerned.

    Kishor'e voice was sharper, firmer and cutely nasal. It had a tremendous strength. Yodelling could be done only by him. Songs of Masti, naughtiness & dejection were best sung by Kishore.

    Rafi's voice was melodious, sacred, perfect & soul touching. He could sing all types of songs. He was trualy versatile. Semi-classical, romantic, sad, devotional, qawwali, bhajans, patriotic, melancholic songs were best sung by Rafi.

    Kishore had a versatile personality. He was an actor, director, writer, music composer and a singer. He was mercurial by nature.

    Rafi was a pious by nature. His magic voice would touch the soul of listners. Therefore, you will find Rafi's fans are more hardcore than Kishore's.

    Their respective personality mirrored in their voice.

    Both were legends. They made our lives richer and happier.

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  20. put up very well, Hem. Though I am fan of both Rafi and Kishore, it is a different feeling when you listen rafi to sing, and any song, not just a romantic melody, but just any. Kishore songs are great to hum and sing in chorus with friends, as we often do.

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  21. no doubt kishor is great singer but rafi is greatest singer.however u cant compare two great singer but if u have to find one then rafi is rafi.lata is only in the class of rafi.as far singing is concern its truly right that u can freel rafis song from heart.but one thing is there thet kishor voice has more strenth then rafi.whenever u listen duets of kishor rafi u can find rafi has to give extra strenth to find tha leval of kishor but it doesnt mean that kihor is better.rafi can sing all kind of song.whether classic,romantic,sad,gajal,bhakti,rock.people says that kishor had a better comand over western rock song but i deny.actualy rafi was not singing that kind of song but when he started u know how hit he was and again he was in top on end of his singing life.
    however people talk diffrence but as i know rafi is best forever

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  22. yupp tats true... wen u listen to rafi songs u just go lost into it.. they synch with ur rythm so well.. u start singing them together.. u just feel its been sung so well..

    lata n rafi are two legends of playback singers.. rest are just followers :-)

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  23. Yupp. Popularity often speaks for quality in the minds of general junta though even for a mediocre expert they are completely different things. Though Rafi and Kishore are most popular singers in Indian cinema, Rafi stands far ahead as singing legend of Indian Cinema.

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  24. Rafi was an era. His songs were masterpieces acknowledged by most biased of the critics.

    Its not fair to compare him with any other singer, let alone Kishore Kumar, beacause there is no comparision at all.

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  25. Here I am presenting 10 songs of Rafi,only solos, that were not chartbusters as other countless Rafi songs we hear on radio or tv, as these are I would say underestimated or were not projected due to some reasons. But these are magic songs and you can hear them again and again without getting bored.If I were to compile 100 best songs of Rafi, these songs will definately in the list.

    1--a gale lag ja--- April Fool
    2--aaj kalmein dhal gaya---Beti Bete
    3--akela hoon mein humsafar---Jaal
    4--dil ki tammana thi---Gyara Hazar Ladkian
    5--hai kali kali ke lab per--Lalarukh
    6--jaag dil-e-diwana--Oonche Log
    7--jane wo hain kya Naam---Bheegi Raat
    8--mujhe dekh kar apka--Ek Musafir Ek Hasina
    9--subah na aye--Cha Cha Cha
    10-mujhe le chalo--Sharabi

    i have not heard any modern singer have attempted any of the above songs,not even Sonu, strange.

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    1. 1-koi humdum na raha.
      2-koi lauta de mere beete hue dim.
      3-dukhi man mere.
      4-aa chal ke tujhe.
      5-ye jeevan hai.
      6-pyar deewan hota hai.
      7-zindagi ka safar.
      8-kuch to log kahenge.
      9-zindagi ke safar mein guzar jaate hain.
      10-choo kar mere man ko.
      11-ye shaam mastani.
      12-jeevan se na haar jine wale.
      13-kaise din jeevan mein aaye.
      13-tune hume kya diya re zindagi.
      14-ye naina ye kaajal.
      15-chingari koi bhadke.
      16-thandi hawa ye chadni suhani.
      17-ye wahi geet hai.
      18-tum ho mere di ki dhadkan.
      20-lahron ki tarah yaadein.
      21-raahon par rahete hain.
      22-panthi hoon main us path ka.
      23-kahan tak ye man ko andhere chalenge.
      24-wo shaam kuch ajib thi.
      25-ye dard bhara afsana.
      26-fiza ke phool pe aati kabhi bahar nahi.
      27-di aisa kisi ne mera toda.
      28-mujhe kho jaane do.
      29-mera jeevan kora kagaz.
      30-tu phule phle aabad rahe.
      31-mera geet adhura hai.
      32-munna bada pyara.
      33-musafir hoon yaaro.
      34-o manjhi re.
      35-o mere dil ke chain.
      36-o saathi re.
      37-rahi naye naye.
      38-roop tera aisa darpan mein na samaye.
      39-samjhauta ghamo se kar lo.
      40-ya zindagi hui kahan bhul.
      41-tere liya maine.
      42-teri duniya se ho ke majboor.
      43-ye desh pardesh.
      44-yeh kya hua.
      45-bin phere hum tere.
      46-jab dard nahi tha sine mein.
      47-pal-pal dil ke paas.
      48-raat kali ek khwab mein aayi.
      49-dekha hai zindagi ko kuch itna kareeb se.
      50-diye jalte hain.
      these are some songs.abhi to na jaane kitne songs hain.thanks

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  26. Surprisingly I could also not related to these songs, I must look for them and listen at your recommendation.

    Also, I think sonu and alikes just wanted to rise using popularity of Rafi in masses. Now that they have established their foot in industry, they would not find time n money to preserve legacy of their peers.

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  27. I whole heartedly agree with the comments of Mr. khan. Comparison is always done when the two are at par in some respect.

    Where Kishore stands in comparison with Rafi in Voice quality,Voice command, Emotions and above all Versatality.

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  28. Shaurabh,have you listen to any of the 10 Rafi songs, which I mentioned? And your comments on these.

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  29. जी हाँ बिल्कुल खान जी, और मैं इनके बारे में लिखता हूँ। धन्यवाद।

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  30. About the song, "8--mujhe dekh kar apka--Ek Musafir Ek Hasina" This song is copied by Jatin-Lalit in the movie "Sangharsh" and the song is "Mujhe rat din bas mujhe chahti ho.." Sung by Sonu Nigam :)

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  31. Rafi can be compared to great singer like Manna Dey....but comparision with Kishore is just a waste of time....Kishore is way below the rank...he cannot be compared with any of those great singers ike Rafi-Mukesh-Manna-Talat...Rafi is best No doubt

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    1. manna day in an interview- 'ek chtur naar' ki recording karne se pahle maine socha, is gaane mein kishore ko mazaa chakaungaa, main classical trained singer hoon aur isne to sikha bhi nahi hai, yeh gaane mein mujhse kya muqabla karega, but when he sang the song i realized that i was singing only the song but he was singing the soul of the song, tab mujhe pata chala ki kishore kumar kishore kumar hai. thanks, correct yourself

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    2. इससे मैं असहमत हूँ। "एक चतुर नार" कठिन गाना है और इसका कठिन हिस्सा मन्ना डे जी वाला है। किसी ने ना ही वैसा गाया था और ना ही गाया है। इसीलिए यह गाना इतना चर्चित और प्रचलित भी है। मन्ना डे जी का improvisation of southern dialect और अलाप कठिन भी है और खूबसूरत भी। और यही गाने की जान भी है।

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    3. Dear Mr. Bharti, Any one who is very well trained in classic can sing the lines sang by Manna Day with little efforts but what sang by Bhagwan Kishoreda is rather difficult to sing. Singing so rapidly and perfectly only and only Bhagwan Kishoreda could have done it.

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    4. I agreed with you completely. I am a fan of Mohd Rafi,KK,Mukesh,Mannada and of course Talat Mehmood. But KK as far as Talent was considered was on par with everyone, but quality wise a little behind the lot. But he was the last among the greats

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  32. I'm sorry there r 2 words technique and soul(expressions). First one is rafi,second is kishoreda. Songs like humein tumse pyAr kitna, chingari koi, mera jeevan kora kagaz prove how a song can be simple in terms of sur, but yet impossible to match the soul of kishoreda. Add the depth of voice and result is magic. Let not the debAte to shift to yoodleing and fun songs of kishoreda, as rafi has sung a number of useless shami KAPOOR NUMBERS

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  33. I can list 10 songs of Rafi that Kishore cannot sing let alone do justice.
    Could any one list 1 song of Kishore that Rafi cannot sing and do justice?

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    1. this is the list my dear, not 1 but 5- 1.dukhi man mere(fantoosh,1955)(rafi once said to kishore- yeh gaana tum hi gaa sakte the main nahi gaa sakta). read rafi's interview
      2. zindagi ek safar(with yoodeling)(rafi also sang the other version of this song but everybody knows whose version is more famous)(no.1 song of 'binaca geetamala' 1971)
      3. 'aake sidi lagi'(half ticket, 1962)(kishore sang both in male and female voice)give me one example where rafi did the same thing.
      4.'bam chik cham chik'('kahte hain mujhko raja' 1975)(fastest song of that time)
      5.'o majhi re(khoosboo, 1975)(rd burman was crying during the recording)don't believe then type'r d burman was crying' on you tube. you will have your answer. now it's your turn.

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  34. rafi saheb was a unique creation of god if god once again tries to create another rafi he can't...........jaag dile deewna. tumse kahu ek baat paros se, mai ye soch ke uske dar se chal tha, din dhal jaaye, aa jaa re aa zara aa...aaj ki raat ye kaisi raat, Nafrat ki dunia ko chod ke, darde dil darde jugar, mere mehboob, parda hai parda, patthar ke sana, na to carva ki talsh hai, ye reshmi jhulfe. o hasina jhulfo wali, dil ke jharokhe me. tu bemisal hai, meri kahani bhoone wale,mai jat yampla pagla deewana, yamma yamma, pukarta chala hu mai, mera to jo bhi kadam hai, chahunga mai tujhe, tune mujhe bulaya shera waliye, sukh ke sab sathi, aaj kal me dhal gaya din hua tamam,ajhu na aayo balma sawan beeta jaye, mujhe choo rahi hai teri garm saasein,chu lene de nazuk hotho ko,aane se uske aaye bahar, bahro phool barsao, meri mohabbat paak mohabbat aur jahan ki khak mohabbaat,kar chale hum fida , madhuban me radhika,kuho kuho bole re koyaliya, mujhe le chal aisi jagah,tere mere sapne, mera man tera pyasa, aise to na dekho, yun rutho na hasina, likhe jo khat tujhe,man tarpat haridarshan ko aaj,man mora bawra, pucho na yaar kya hua, chand mera dil, kya hua tera wada,kaha tera insaaf hai, dil ek mandir hai , yaad na jaaye bite dino ki, yaad me teri jag jag ke hum,man re tu kahe na dhir dhare,subah na aayi sham na aayi,abhi na jao chor ke, kis kis ko pyar karu, ye mana meri jaan mohabbat saza haiye dunia ye mehfil,sir jo tera chakaye, hum kale hai to kya hua dilwale, ghadi milan ki aayi, ek shenshah ne banwa ke,tum jo mil gaye ho, aap ke pahlu me aake ro diye,jaan jani jardan,atthrah baras ki tu, teri rab ne bana di jodi,tujhko pukare mera pyar, ye zinfgi ke mele dunia me kam na honge,yaha badla wafa ka bewafai ke siwa kya hai, mausam suhane aa gaye,unke khayal aaye to aake chale gaye., jo guzar rahi hai mujhpe,koi sagr dil ko bahlata nahi, sadke heeer tujhpe hum phakeer(mera naam joker)ye raat hai pyasi pyasi, kahi ek masomm nazuk si ladki,aur kuch der na jaa,akele hai chale aao,wo wo na rahe, takdeer ka fasan, dil jo na kah saka, pardesion se na ankhiya milana,mere mitwa, aaj mausam bada beiman hai,hai agar dushman jaman gam nahi,ye gote dar lehnga,akhiri geet mohabbat ka suna lu to chalu,na jhatko julf se pani, ajab hai dastan teri ye zindgi,mai kahi kavi na ban jaau, badan pe sitare, baul ki dueyein leti jaa,mere desh premio,ye desh hai veer jawano ka, ai watan ai watan, raha gar disho me humdum,jhulfo ko hata le chere se,mile na phool to kaanto se dosti kar li,deewan mastana hua dil, tu kaha ye bata, dil ka bhanwar kare pukar,kya se kya ho gaya,tere dar pe aaya hu,chadti jawani meri chal mastani,jaane kya dhoondti hai,mere khayalo ki rah guzar se, .........and greatest song ever " o dunia ke rakhwale"........these are the variety of songs whic kishore da would never had.Rafi saheb sagar hai jiske andar kitni vividhata aur khajane hai aur kya kya ras ho sakta hai andaza lagana muskil hai.

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  35. Hello friends,
    I had always been a Mohd. Rafi fan, since I was a kid. Like my parents and friends, I, obediently followed the tradition to listen and admire rafi and only rafi. His “Makhmali awaaz” was always a treat to my ears. I would sing his songs at the school and with friends. People liked me because I was eventually, if not easily. able to hit those “high surs”. I was admired.
    But, then I had chance to listen to Kishore da`s songs. I was moved! His voice was uniquely LARGE. The base in his voice was incredibly deep, unlike any other singer. His voice was inimitable. Such strong voice, reflected pronounced masculinity. His songs like ‘Hal Kya Hai Dilon Ka’, ‘Phoolon ke rang se’, ‘Aapke Anurodh Pe’ ‘Kuch To log kaheinge’ and many others, are great examples of his talent. You would see many singers singing Rafi`s songs, giving him a good enough tribute. There are sonu nigam, shabbir and many others who are fairly good at it. But Kishore Kumar was UNIQUE. No one in the world has such a tremendous throw and solidarity. AND now we can just IMAGINE what kishore da could have done if he was classically trained from his childhood. His voice would have broken the boundaries and CONQUERED the world!!
    The khanak in kishoreda`s voice was a god-gift and the almighty has not given even one-tenth of that charismatic resonance that kishoreda was rewarded with.
    Conclusively, I hope and pray that the rafi`s fans break their old bias for an hour and just listen to the songs I have recommended above! Do not banish kishore da`s talent without even weighing them fairly. And as for Rafi, he has been my guru, idol, teacher, god and always will be.

    Thank you.

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    1. फज़ल भाई, किशोर दा तो हमेशा से हमारे फेवलिस्ट में हैं और रहेंगे। सारे गायकों में सबसे बड़ा कलेक्शन उन्हीं का है मेरे पास। क्या करें उनके गाने ही इतने बढिया हैं। उनकी कलाकारी भी बहुत लाजवाब है, उनके कुछ फिल्म तो ऑल-टाइम-फेव हैं, जैसे पड़ोसन, चलती का नाम गाड़ी। किशोर दा का नाम तो हमेशा ऊँचा रहेगा। पर आजकल रफी साहब की कमी महसूस होती है, उनको जो सम्मान मिलना चाहिए फिल्मी जगत में, क्योंकि वह राजनीति और भेदभाव/ग्रूपिज़म से परे रहे, उनकी रियासत को हम सभी को मिलकर लम्बे समय तक कायम रखना है।

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  36. why rafi fans not accept the fact that after 'aradhna' 1969 rafi's period was over. if don't believe me then check 'binaca geetmala' annul list from 1970 to 1980 till rafi's death. rafi's fans will have their answer. 2. why always musicians prefer to remix kishore da songs, like 'bachna a haseeno','meri pyaari bindu', yeh waada raha', nahi nahi abhi nahi' 'vada tera vada' etc, because his voice is still fresh.3. a tribute program named "k for kishore" (2008)already have been made on him.4. three biopic movies are in making on kishore da, ranbir kapoor is the lead in one of them. 5.kishore da won 8 filmfare which is still a record(male or female) and last, i m fan of both rafi sahaab and kishore da, and we are nothing to compare them. they were great friends and respect each other, kishore da always call m. rafi as rafi sahaab. kishore kumar is the unique human being who came to this world to entertain us. he is a great gift from'almighty'. we will never ever going to see another kishore kumar. thanks.

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  37. बिजनेस और कनेक्शन में तो रफी और किशोर दा में कोई कम्पटीशन ही नहीं है, किशोर दा बहुत आगे हैं। हमलोग तो यहाँ गायनशैली विशेष पर चर्चा कर रहे थे। रही बात रफी और मन्ना डे द्वारा की गई किशोर दा की बड़ाई की, ये उनकी महानता है जो एक छोटे जूनियर कलाकार की इतनी सराहना और प्रशंसा करते हैं। यह तो आप भी मानते होंगे कि आज का संगीत डूब चुका है, गायकी डूब चुकी है और इसका श्रेय कहीं हद तक किशोर और आशा को जाता है, क्योंकि आजकल लोग उन्हीं की नकल कर-करके गाते हैं। जैसा कि मैंने पहले भी लिखा है, किशोर दा ने गायकी के स्तर को इतना आसान और नीचे कर दिया, कि फिर कोई उसे उठाने की कोशिश भी करे तो कर नहीं पाया, जैसे सुरेश वाडकर। यही उनकी महानता भी थी और शायद हिन्दी संगीत और गायकी को अभिशाप भी। आज हम चाहकर भी उस मधुर संगीत और आवाज की तरफ मुड़ नहीं सकते, जिसको रफी और लता ने शुरू किया और कई सालों तक कायम रखा।

    किशोर साहब एक कलाकारी व्यक्तित्व थे इसमें कोई दोराय नहीं, शायद थोड़े सनकी भी। अगर फिल्म बनती है तो ऐसे ही कलाकारों पर बनती है, साधारण व्यक्तित्व वाले तो पीछे रह जाते हैं इस दौड़ में। रफी साहब के ज़माने में गायक और गायिका दोनों को एक ही पुरस्कार मिलता था, तो समझ ही गए होंगे कि रफी और लता में कैसी टक्कर रहती होगी। बाद में इसे गायक और गायिका के लिए अलग-अलग किया गया।

    किशोर दा के गाने, जिनका काफी श्रेय मैं उनके लेखकों और संगीतकारों को भी देना चाहूँगा, बहुत ही मस्त और दिल को छू लेने वाले, जीवन को दिशा देने वाले हैं। रफी के गाने बिना संगीत और गीत के भी मधुर हैं, बस यही बात, और कुछ नहीं।

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  38. Both rafi and Kishore are legends and in popularity head and shoulders above everybody including Lata or Asha.... their singing styles were very different though, rafi had a golden melodious voice which in effect is really unmatchable however Kishore had a timbre and resonance that is unique as well... I appreciate both greatly although the consencus amongst fellow musicians is that Rafi was the greatest, but certainly Kishore wasn't far behind. I love them equally but Kishore himself admitted that rafi was ahead of him.

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  39. Kishoreda... I love Kishore just as I love Rafi and I think we are blessed to have had the 2 greatest singers on the planet with us for those 4 decades.... I just wanted to clarify a myth about Rafi's so called decline in the 70's.... yes Kishore dominated, I agree but it is not true to believe that Rafi declined greatly... Rafi became number 2 for the most of the 70's but after Kya Hua , he was back on top where even Amitabh had to accept "john Jaani janardan" from naseeb ... where Laxmikant pyarelal insisted on rafi despite Amitabh requesting kishore..... Like I say Kishoreda and Rafi in my eyes are incomparable, both brilliant and legends , but the consecus amongst their fellow musicians is that Rafi was the greatest.... Mana Day said on Sa re ga ma (youtube available), SP Balasub ( you tube available) , Lata ( youtube available) Sonu Nigam ( youtube available) .... Shankar Jaikishen both said in seperate interviews that Rafi was the best, Laxmikant Pyearelel both agreed Rafi was the best but Kishore was a close second... Nitin Mukesh has said in several interviews that his father always thought of Rafi as the best... Usha khana agreed that rafi was the best... Anu Malik has said on several TV shows that Rafi was the best, etc etc.... I think Kishore was an amazing singer with different attributes to that of rafi and maybe Kishore's somewhat eccentric personality didn't endear him to fellow musicians .... Amongst those that favored Kishore over Rafi... Salil Choudary, and obviously RDB, SDB liked Kishore a lot but always fell back to Rafi for his top soundtracks. Apart from those , everyone else first choice predominantly was rafi

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  40. 1.shaan,baabul supriyo, vinod rathod,jatin-lalit,kk,bappi lahiri are some of the examples that always follow the great kishore.2. in the documentary 'zindagi ek safar' lata ji said about kishore da- jaisa wo gaate the,maine aisa gaane waala maine nahi dekha. 3.in the same documentary r d burman is saying- lata ji,asha ji mujhse hamesha kehti thi ki aur singers ki humein chinta nahi hoti, lekin yeh aadmi jab gaata hai to humein bahoot sambhal ke gaana padta hai.4. pyarelal ji about the song 'mere mehboob qayamat hogi' aisa pahle na to rafi sahaab ne gaya tha na mukesh ji ne' wo ek nayi freshness lekar aaye jo unko baaki singers se alag karti thi. 5.in 2008 anu malik on radio 98.3 in an interview to sonu nigam- 1986 mein mujhe ek film mili 'begaana' to main kishore da se gawaana chahta tha, main unke ghar gaya, to unhone kaha kal aana, agle din phir unke ghar gaya to unhone phir kaha kal aana, unhone 1 mahine tak mujhe aise hi chakaar katwaaye, but still he is one of my favorite singer. i mean a person like anu malik who we all know very rude and angry and sometime fights with farah khan, javed akhtar,sonu nigam, if he is praising kishore da after what he did with him, it shows that what kishore da is capable of .6. on 'k for kishore'(sony entertainment,2008) javed akhtar said- kishore kumar ke in deewano mein mera bhi naam shaamil kar lijiye, kyonki main bhi unka bhakat hoon, yeh baat main dil se kah raha hoon ki kishore kumar jaisi aawaz na thi, na hai, na hogi. i can give you thousands of examples of his greatness. rafi was a good singer, but kishore kumar is greatest singer and will be. thanks.

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    1. Nayyer Feb 09,2012
      Dear Kishoreda, With reference to your post dated Jan 28, 2012.Have you seen the show "Walk the Talk" on NDTV , wherein the Interviewer Shekhar Gupta asked the Great Manna Da who did he consider to be the best singer . Manna Da's reply, you know , being that Rafi Sahab was the Greatest (Male) singer.While Shekhar tried to force his word down Manna Da and constantly pressed him to speak about kishore kumar, but Manna Da stuck honestly to his view that kishore was a natural singer but Rafi sahab is the greatest singer. When you hear the vast range and unlimited style of rafi , be it romantic songs, bhakti songs, patriotic songs, Qawwali , in allthese areas rafi is undisputably matchless until denied by a bigot who would not be convinced even in presence of overwhelming evidence. Just listen to the songs Tera husn rahe(Do Dil), Jaag Dile Diwana(Oonche log),ae nargise mastan (AArzoo); man tarpat (Baijoo bawara), sukh ke sab saathi(Gopi), the beginning sloks Guru bramha, guru vishnu (Sikandare Aazam)which by the way is a part of the patriotic song Jahan daal daal pe sone ki chiriyan; kar chale hum fida, safarosh ki tamanna ab hamare dil;yeh ishq ishq hai , kya karo gi tum meri tasveer lekar(kala pani). Further: for fast songs see rafi sing Jaane walo zara hoshiyaar, Affoo khuda, chahe koi mujhe junglee kahe,aasmaan se aaya farishta pyaar ka sabak sikhlane, jiya ho jiya kuchh bol do etc; sad songs - main tooti hui ek naiyya hun, tukde hain mere dil ke,koi sagar dil ko bahlata nahin etc. It may be recalled that iniyially Lata said that kishore kumar had a distinct voice and style; during the visit of gazal singer menhdi hasan to india in the late seventies, lata would say yhat menhdi hasan ji ke gale mein sartaswati niwas karti hain . But during the lifetime of the great Rafishe would never mention a single word that would be appreciative of his talent or prowess.She persisted in this practice later also. This clearly portrays her restricted mindset. In fact , when they noticed some change in the taste of music , Lata and Aasha did all that they could do to counter the obvious and just superiority of rafi over them and the indian music industry. It is only of late that lata has perhaps realised that the time has come to acknowledge the truth that rafi is unmistakably and truthfully the greatest singer of india and ,in fact, the world. Rafi's voice titillates you, caresses you , nourishes you and takes you to closer to the realisation of the Creater of the universe.

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    2. हमारे चहेते गायकों की असली जिन्दगी में झाँकना भले ही सच्चाई उजागर करता हो पर इससे मन मलीन ही होता है। लता जी का रोयल्टी वाला झगड़ा, अन्य नखरे और आशा जी और बर्मन जी की शादी से बॉलीवुड की गायकी में बहुत परिवर्तन आए। इसी में राजनीति, धन, लोकप्रियता ये सब जोड़ दें तो यह गायकी नहीं जैसे कोई भाग-दौड़ हो या प्रतियोगिता। रफी और मन्ना डे जैसे साफ दिल और चरित्र वाले कलाकार कम ही हैं और हमें इन अच्छे कलाकारों को मलीन नहीं करना चाहिए, चाहए वह हमारे उतने चहेते क्यों ना हो।

      गायकी के स्वर्णिम काल में रफी, लता, मन्ना डे, मुकेश, हेमन्त, तलत, गीता दत्त आदि जैसे कलाकार थे जिनके गाने जितना सुनो कम है। वह समय ना फिर आ सका और अब तो नहीं ही आएगा जैसा कि संगीत आजकल आ रहा है (सड्डा हक, ऐथे रक्ख :-D)

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    3. http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/article528270.ece

      किशोरदा को लता मंगेश्कर जी का लिखा यह लेख पढ़ना चाहिए, बहुत सारी दुविधाएँ दूर हो जाएँगी।

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  41. kishore kumar very....great singer.no body can reach near kishore kumar.

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  42. खूप चांगला लेख आहे हा. मी स्वतः रफीचा (डोळस/आंधळा नव्हे) चाहता असल्याने खूप आवडला मला हा लेख. मुळात रफी आणि किशोर चि तुलना करणे मूर्खपणाचे आहे.पण तरी तो मुर्खपणा करायचे ठरवले तरी रफी आणि रफी च सर्वोत्तम ठरतो. अलीकडच्या तरुण पिढीचे लांगुलचालन करण्यासाठी किशोर प्रेमाचे भरते बऱ्याच जणांना येते. रफी चि अफाट रेंज अफाट गीत संपदा पाहता किशोर च काय कुणीही त्याच्यापुढे तोकडा पडतो. आणि किशोर च्या काळात एक ही बाजू रफी च्या बाजू ने नव्हती दिलीप,गुरुदत्त,जॉनी वॉकर, देव, राजेंद्र कुमार, शम्मी कपूर,भारत भूषण, प्रदीप कुमार,जॉय मुखर्जी, सारखे अभिनेते उच्चासानावरून उतरले होते, शंकर-जयकिशन, ओपि नय्यर,चित्रगुप्त, रवी, एन दत्ता, आणि इतर बऱ्याच संगीतकारांचा फॉर्म संपल्यात जमा होता,अगदी नौशाद सुध्दा याला अपवाद नाहीये. साहीर, मजरूह, शकील, सारख्या मातब्बर गीतकारांची जागा आनंद बक्षी, गुलजार(??) या नवकवींनी घेतली. त्यामुळे रफीची गाणी ज्या कलाकारांमुळे यायची ते कलाकार तर क्षीण झाले होते, मग रफी चि त्या प्रमाणात गाणी आली नाहीत. दुसरी गोष्ट म्हणजे रफी १९६९ पर्यंत दिलीप, शम्मी आणि इतर बऱ्याच जणांसाठी प्रचंड गायला होता, विशेषतः शम्मी साठी गाऊन रफी च्या आवाजात खूप फरक पडला होता, आवाजात ते भाव कमी झाले होते ज्यावर सर्वसामान्य लट्टू होता,याउलट किशोर तो पर्यंत खूप म्हणजे खूप कमी गायला होता, त्यामुळे त्याचा आवाज चांगला राहिला होता(नंतर तो ही क्षीण झाला १९८५ नंतर. इच्छुकांनी सागर मधली गाणी कान देऊन ऐकावीत, आवाज ताझा होता पण थकलेला होता.) त्यातून आज च्या 'मुन्नी' आणि 'कोलावेरी'सारख्या निरर्थक गाण्यांवर फिदा होणारी जनता तेव्हा तरी कशी कमी असेल? या कारणांमुळे किशोर चा भाव एकदम वधारला.

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  43. Rafi had the most melodious voice. He was a versatile singer. He could sing all types of songs- Classical, Ghazal, Bhajan, Qawali etc. His singing skills was unparalleled. People noticed him first time in 1947 for the song yahan badla wafa ka...in the film Jugnu and he became popular after singing suhani rat dhal chuki...for the film Dulari in 1949. But after Baiju Bawra in 1952, there was no looking back in his career. He ruled playback singing fot next 18 years. He has rendered his voice to all actors from Dilip Kumar to Rishi Kapoor. He has the most numbers of hit songs. It is very difficult to write about his all hit numbers, but some of his real gems are- Man tarpat hari darshan ko aaj, O dur ke musafir, Chal ud ja re pancchi, Kah do koi na kare yahan pyar, Husnwale tera jawab nahin, Sathi na koi manjil, Ehsan tera hoga mujhpe, Madhuban me radhika, Kitna hai tum se pyar, Fir miloge kabhi, Mai to tere haseen Khayalon me, Diwana huwa badal, Tumhare pyar me ham, Ai husn jara jag tujhe, Chhu lene do najuk hoto ko and Ye duniya ye mehfil. We still enjoy Rafi sahab's songs. Kishore, though a good singer was way behind Rafi.

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  44. Singers in the order of excellence:
    1. rafi
    2. Lata
    3. K L Saigal
    4. Jagjit Singh
    5. Asha Bhosle
    6. Manna De
    7. Mukesh
    8 Kishore

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  45. person who started this post... seems to be deaf by right ear... he hears with left only... and that too hears... never listens
    i just stumbled upon this post... although it has been started years back...
    you yourself has stated clearly... rafi cannot be compared with kishore... infact no singer in the world can be compared to kishore...
    typical hypocritc and stereotype only compares rafi with kishore...
    Or unko kitne bhi saboot de do... halanki saboot ki jarurat hoti nahi... par wo apni aankh or kaan band kiye hirahte hain :D
    so no proofs here to prove kishore is beyond comparion.. cos he is :)

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  46. Saurabh Bhai, There were many great singer India produced but none of them were as popular like Kishore Kumar. Problem with Rafi fan is that they are not able to digest Kishore popularity and in reality Kishore defeated Rafi.

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    1. संजीव जी, रफी साहब मात्र ५ साल बड़े हैं किशोर दा से लेकिन २० साल तक किशोर दा को स्ट्रगल करना पड़ा, जानते हैं क्यों? क्योंकि रफी साहब की आवाज और अंदाज का कोई जवाब नहीं था. फिल्मी लाइन में कौन चमक जाय और क्या इसका फौरमुला आज तक किसी को नहीं पता चला, आपको या किशोर दा को भी नहीं. किशोर दा हमेशा से हीरो बनना चाहते थे और जब कुछ नहीं हुआ तो गायकी से चिपके रह गये..
      जब रफी साहब का जमाना था तब किशोर दा के गाने आते कहाँ थे लेकिन किशोर दा के पीक टाइम में भी रफी साहब के हिट्स आते थे.
      और सबसे बड़ी बात कि यहाँ गायकी की गुणवत्ता की बात हो रही है, ना कि हारमोनियम से सुर मिला के गाने की. रफी साहब के पहले गायन उतना प्रचलित भी नहीं था. लता और रफी के जोड़े ने इस इंडस्ट्री को जनम दिया, जिसका फल किशोर आशा ने खाया और ना जाने कितने खा रहे हैं...

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    2. YE AAPKI BHUL HAI BHAI SAHAB KUCCH GANE SIRF KISHORE DA KI AAVAJ ME HI ACCHE LAG SKTE THE JAISE....
      O SATHI RE.....
      RUK JAANA NAHI TU KAHI.....
      KORA KAGAJ THA YE MAN MERA....
      MERA JEEVAN KORA KAGAJ....
      PAL PAL DIL KE PAS....
      HUM BEVAFA HARGIJ NA THE..
      TERI DUNIYA SE HO KE MAJBOOR...
      MERE DIL NE TADAP K JAB NAAM...
      MERE NAINA SWAN BHADO...
      CHUU KAE MERE MAN KO KIYA TUNE....
      AANE VAALA PAL JANE VAALA...
      JANE KYA SOACH KR NAHI GUJRA.....
      AUR KHAS TAUR PAR
      ZINDAGI KA SAFR HAI YE KAISA SAFR....
      ZINDAGI KE SAFAR ME GUJAR JATE....
      YE VO DO GANE HAI JINHE AGAR RAFI SAHEB NE GAYA HOTA TO BAHUT BADA NUKSAN HO JAATA.MAI TO YE KAHTA HU KI KISHORE DA KI AWAJ ME JO ADMI ME ROMACE PAIDA KAENE KI QUALITY THI VO RAFI SAHAB KI AWAJ ME NAHI THI BESHAK VO BAHUT JANKAR THE SANGEET K MAGAR YE SOCHIYE KI KISHORE DA NE SA RE GA MAA.....SIKHE BINA YE THLKA MACHAYA AUR 8 BAR FILM FAIRE AWARD JITE TO AGAR VO BHI TRAIND SINGAR HOTE TO KYA GAJAB DHHATE
      PURI FILM IDUSRTY ME AAJ TAK AISA SINGER PAIDA NAHI HUA KI BINA SA RE GA MA....SIKHE ACCHA GAYA HO.KISHORE DA ATULNIY THE UNKI TO AAJ TAK KOI COPY TAK KAR NAHI PAYA RAFI SAHEB KI COPY SONU NIGAM NE KI PE KISHORE DA KI VOICE UNIQ HAI UNKE JAISI AAWAJ 1000 SAL ME EK BAR AATI HAI

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    3. अवधेश जी, आपका प्रेम किशोर दा के लिये सर आँखों पर। प्रेम में इतनी शक्ति होती है कि उसकी कमियाँ भी अच्छी लगने लगती हैं।
      किशोर कुमार को सा रे गा मा भी आता था और संगीत भी जानते थे। शास्त्रीय संगीत नहीं सीखने का मतलब ये नहीं कि सरगम ताल का ज्ञान नहीं है। ऐसा इसलिये क्योंकि शायद आप नहीं जानते कि किशोर दा एक संगीतकार भी थे। कुछ गाने हिट भी हुये थे।
      हालांकि मैं कोई तीसमारखां नहीं हूँ गायन या संगीत में, लेकिन इतना अवश्य कह सकता हूँ कि आपकी संगीत और गायन की विवेचना संगीत सुनने वाले की है, और बहुत निजी है, उससे ज्यादा नहीं।
      किशोर दा का समर्पण गायन में नहीं बल्कि अभिनय में था। हीरो बनना चाहते थे और अंत तक वही प्रयास किया। कितने बड़े हीरो थे ये तो हम सब जानते हैं।
      ये तो आप भी समझ सकते हैं कि गायन में सफलता पाने के बाद भी उन्होंने संगीत में रूचि ना दिखाई। बिना मेहनत किये प्रसिद्धि मिल सकती है, पर सिद्धि नहीं।

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  47. Saurabha Bhai, Maan bhi lo Kishore was better singer. Problem with Rafi fan is that they are not able to digest 2 things.

    1. How a untrained singer ( Kishore Kumar ) is more popular?
    2. How come Rafi was defeated by Kishore from 1969 to till continued..............

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    1. जब आप मँझे हुये गायन और हारमोनियम से सुर मिले हुये गायन में अंतर समझियेगा तब ही आपको रफी और किशोर में अंतर समझ में आयेगा.. तब तक प्रयास करते रहिये...दोनों के गाने मुझे बहुत प्रिय हैं और गुनगुनाते रहते हैं हमेशा..पर किशोर दा के गाये हुये कुछ गानो को सुन कर मन करता हैं कि अगर इसको रफी साहब ने गाया होता तो कुछ और ही भाव और सुर निकल कर आते.. पर दोनों प्रिय हैं मेरे...

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  48. most of the people seem to agree on how Rafi was better than Kishore. I can go into technical details (being a trained singer myself) but it wont probably go down well with a lot of people here who think Kishore was even equal or better
    Bottom line is Rafi was way better in terms of ability but besides ability the kind of work he has done is even more superior.

    manna Dey was better in terms of ability that KK but Kishore had the natural flare

    Just imagine one thing, before Aradhana Kishore was only singing for Dev Anand or himself while Rafi was singing for every actor. Every actor

    I am a big fan of KK because I grew up on his songs but the moment you ebter rafi saab's world, you know this is something else.

    Range - Rafi 8/10, Kishore 6/10, Manna 8/10
    Voice Quality : Rafi 10/10, Kishore 8/10, Manna 8/10
    Classical Training: Rafi 8/10, Kishore 6/10, Manna 9//10
    Throw: Rafi 10/10, Kishore 9/10, Manna 9/10
    Tonal control : Rafi 10/10, Kishore 9/10, Manna 8/10

    Just listen to when Kishore tried to sing a Rafi song - Mann re tu kahe na dheer dhare. He messed it up big time. Rafi songs are easier to sing (Ask Sonu Nigam, Shaan, Udit narayan)

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  49. every body told that kishor da was great singar but at the last end of artical they say that rafi was great
    this is cunnigness of that persons rafi and kishore both were great in their singing
    if rafi saheb had softness of voice than kishore da had a uniqe romance in his voice that make people to more romantic than rafi saheb.
    the main point is that kishore da was not trained singer he did not learn sa re ga ma..... but he sang like a great singer and won 8 film fare awards this is the thinkable point of kishore da that witout learning he sang great if he was trained than what happend
    many songs sung by kishore da like o sathi re tere bina bhi...and...aa ri aaja nindiya tu... and mera jeevan kora kagaj...and teri duniya se hoke majboor
    if rafi saheb sang that songs than definitly they are able but these song never take effect in rafi sahebs's voice like kishore da
    some song made only and only and only and only for KISHORE DA

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    1. ये कैसी धारणा है कि कोई अगर बिना सीखे हिट हो जाये तो सीख के कितना हिट होगा?? ऐसा कुछ नहीं होता है। मो० अजीज ने हिट होने के बाद संगीत सीखा, क्या उखाड़ लिया?
      किशोर कुमार संगीत को जिस तरह से लेते हैं, उनके कंठ में शास्त्रीय संगीत बैठ ही नहीं सकता। उनका संगीत ड्रम्स की तरह है, तबले या ढोलक की तरह नहीं। आप कितना भी अच्छा ड्रम्स बजा लें, उससे शास्त्रीय संगीत नहीं निकल सकता। ठीक वैसे ही किशोर के मुख से शास्त्रीय संगीत, यानी कठिन संगीत, नहीं निकल सकता। आप पानी में तैरने वालों के ही कायल रह गये। कभी गोताखोरों का भी रस लीजिये, फिर जो आनंद की अनुभूति होगी कि तैराकी फीका-फीका-सा लगने लगेगा :-)

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